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initially wanted, but who also backed off from was this guy, john brennan. this was john brennan with president obama when president obama first took office. john brennan was reportedly president obama's choice to lead the cia after he first became president in his first term. john brennan had been a career cia figure. he had served as chief of staff to george tenet when george tenet under george bush developed their torture and secret prison program. john brennan's association with the torture and secret prison program of the george bush era of the cia is what sunk his chances for being picked as director of the cia at the start of the obama presidency. it's kind of weird. it's almost a foreign concept in american modern politics that the left might block something from happening, but it's true. liberals thought obama stopping the torture program wasn't enough. that people tarred by association with that program should not be promoted, that there should be political accountability for people who were close to the torture policy. liberals raised enough noise about john brennan's
relationship that we all know between john brennan and the president. does this really supplant and change that whole reorganized new structure, the bureaucracy that some have said didn't work anyway? >> right. as we all know or those of us that have lived in this know this relationship has always been a little bit touchy between the dni and the director of the cia first with leon panetta and then with david petraeus because of that relationship to the white house. i actually think this one will work pretty well. i think he will let john run the cia, and he will let john dive into some of these detailed intelligence questions. it can be a little bit hard when the director of the cia who reports has had relationships with the white house, but ultimately i think that relationship to the white house is so important to the president for having the cia i don't think there's any way around that, and i think both john and jim who know each other well have worked together a lot. that should be really quite a positive relationship. >> this is hillary clinton getting a joke gift. that is protective
of the administration who came forward to give a speech about it. this past spring it was john brennan who gave the first ever u.s. policy address, admitting to some of our drone strikes. and defending them as both wise and legal. john brennan also this part fall told the "washington post" this -- "i think the rule should be that if we're going to take actions overseas that result in the deaths of people the united states should take responsibility for that. we should. but we don't. at least not for all of the drone strikes that we launch. the deniable drone strikes, the ones the u.s. does not take responsibility for, the ones the u.s. does not admit to even though everybody knows we're responsible for them, those are the ones that are committed as covert action. they're the ones that are launched by the cia. as john brennan has now been nominated to head the cia, he's being described as somebody who wants to bring this policy out of the dark. not that he wants to stop killing people using this particular tool, but he thinks we should do it in a way that is more accountable. he specifically thi
. >>> also, john brennan is the father of the drone policy in the u.s. why his nomination could actually be the most important announcement of the day. >>> and later, i'll explain more about why the republican threats to breach the debt ceiling is very scary, it will be about life after default. [ indistinct shouting ] ♪ [ indistinct shouting ] [ male announcer ] time and sales data. split-second stats. [ indistinct shouting ] ♪ it's so close to the options floor... [ indistinct shouting, bell dinging ] ...you'll bust your brain box. ♪ all on thinkorswim from td ameritrade. ♪ >>> is the biggest national security threat facing the pentagon actually out of control spending? up next, why cutting the defense budget is job number one for the defense secretary, barney frank will be our next guest. >>> and later, the drama sounding the so-called trillion dollar coin. so, we all set? i've got two tickets to paradise! pack your bags, we'll leave tonight. uhh, it's next month, actually... eddie continues singing: to tickets to... paradiiiiiise! no four. remember? whoooa whooaa whooo! you k
. >>> and why he now supports the hagel nomination. >>> also, john brennan is the father of the drone policy in the u.s. why his nomination could actually be the most important announcement of the day. >>> and later, i'll explain more about why the republican threats to breach the debt ceiling is very scary, it will be about life after default. what are you doing? nothing. are you stealing our daughter's school supplies and taking them to work? no, i was just looking for my stapler and my... this thing. i save money by using fedex ground and buy my own supplies. that's a great idea. i'm going to go... we got clients in today. [ male announcer ] save on ground shipping at fedex office. fourneau. >>> is the biggest national security threat facing the pentagon actually out of control spending? up next, why cutting the defense budget is job number one for the defense secretary, barney frank will be our next guest. >>> and later, the drama sounding the so-called trillion dollar coin. ♪ ♪ ♪ we're lucky, it's not every day you find a companion as loyal as a subaru. love. it's what makes a sub
is the nomination of john brennan, the cia director. here's a guy who was pulled back from being nominated four years ago because of his alleged ties to torture and interrogation techniqu techniques. he was george bush's counterterrorism guy. it comes with a lot of baggage. as dave wood outlines, there are reasons for, and there are reasons why chuck hagel's potential fom nation is problematic for the white house. there's also when you sort of read the palace intrigue, read about the palace intrigue, get into the palace intrigue, there's this notion that president obama likes chuck hagel and that he is close to president obama. they've traveled overseas together. as maggie in some ways -- they're men without countries insofar as the president is a pragmatist and stokes the fires against the left and the right, though it's more of the right these days. they see one another in each other's reflections. that's a weird alice in wonderland setup that i did. this would be good for the president not just because of who chuck hagel is but also because of the interpersonal dynamics. >> there's a charact
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are asking serious questions about him and we'll talk about accountability. looking at john brennan. and what it means for him to head the cia. the man who came out of the bush administration, identified with they call it enhanced interrogation techniques. one might call it torture. drone attacks. these are the serious issues that have to be looked at diversity and always. >> i think you raise a good point. which seats women are in. there are three seats with women as treasury secretary, defense secretary and veterans' affairs and back to that photo, the fiscal cliff conversation that where women are sitting, the first woman ever appointed, was the labor secretary. we have a good history of women in the labor position. what about treasury secretary and defense? what difference does this make? so where they sit really matters. >> one thing this issue brings up so -- the idea of these kind of disingenuous attacks from republicans on this. which has been interesting to me because i tweeted out the photo of "the times" photo. i had the good fortune of coming up in the world of lefty media that i
democrats on capitol hill to get the votes he need? >>> enhanced interrogation. john brennan the president's pick to run the cia could face a lot of questions over his role in shaping counterterror policies during the bush administration and, frankly, with the drone wars of the obama years. >>> and then politics loses one of its best biographers, well, ever. saying good-bye to richard ben kramer, a man who knew what it takes better than anybody. >>> good morning from washington. it's tuesday, january 8th, 2013. this is "daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. my first reads of the morning. chuck hagel's nomination has set up a tough, new political fight for the white house. a fight president obama signaled he's ready to have over the plain spoken vietnam veteran. >> willingness to speak his mind, even if it wasn't popular. even if it defied the conventional wisdom. that's exactly the spirit i want on my national security team. >> under fire for his past statements about israel and iran. hagel is now speaking out. told his hometown newspaper "lincoln journal star." the distersions about my record h
-- confirming vote or a vote to deny the confirmation of john kerry, you know, chuck hagel, john brennan, jack lew? >> well, fortunately, i'm going to be in a position where i'm on the armed services committee, and the foreign relations committee, so i'll get a chance to question both senators kerry and hagel, and i look forward to hearing them answer some of the tough questions that have been raised. that's what the confirmation process is about. >> do you have concerns about chuck hagel from what you know so far? >> you know, i think senator hagel deserves all of our admiration for his service in vietnam, for his service to the country as a senator from nebraska, and he would be the only enlisted man who has ever served in the military to become secretary of defense if he gets confirmed, but i do have some serious questions for him about how he would implement the amendment that i just put into the defense authorization bill to make sure that women in the military who are victims of rape or incest are able to access reproductive health services and get the same coverage that other women thro
nominee john brennan and incoming secretary of state john kerry represent a shift in the way the u.s. wages war and the president's attempts to put an imprint on u.s. foreign policy. today, hagel will have his first chance to publicly respond to his critics, in a 112-page questionnaire requested by the committee, hagel begins to do that on iran and israel. this is what he said in the questionnaire, and he'll be questioned about this today. on the questionnaire, i am committed to considering all options to counter iran and its aggression and to maintain u.s. support for missile defense systems in israel. translation, he's for unilateral military action if necessary against iran. more. "if iran continues to flout its international obligations, it should continue to face severe and growing consequences. while there is time and space for diplomacy, backed by pressure, the window is closing." this is what he says on gay rights in the questionnaire, "i fully support gay and lesbian women serving openly in the u.s. military and am committed to a full implementation of the repeal of don't
been very reluctant to support tough sanctions. >> demonstrators protest against john brennan's role in shaping controversial interrogation techniques after 9/11. matsch husband masterpiece. >> dearest mary. now you tell me all of your wedding plans, and i'll see what i can do to improve them. >> the opening night. a huge success for pbs. nearly eight million fans watched the downtown abby third season premier. we have an exclusive look behind the scenes at the making of the hit series. good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in new york today. white house is now gearing up for two big confirmation fights. the president's nominees for defense secretary and cia director. joining me now for our daily fix chris alis why, msnbc contributor and managing day editor and nbc's chuck todd, chief white house correspondent political director, and host of the daily rundown here on msnbc. chuck, from the white house perspective now, where do they think they their biggest fight? i know that they feel confident going forward that they're going to be able to win the day, but as you saw in our open, even
. and as for john brennan, we're seeing the aclu and others speak out about that nomination. protests outside the white house questioning whether john brennan spoke out loudly enough against controversial interrogation tactics. that's why brennan dropped out last time he was considered to head the cia. this time, he's courting both sides. >> although i consider myself neither a republican nor a democrat, i very much look forward to working closely with those on both sides of the aisle. >> reporter: but brennan's confirmation may not be as tough as chuck hagel's for secretary of defense. >> mr. president, i'll always give you my honest and most informed counsel. >> reporter: he backed some cuts at the pentagon, an issue congress will deal with next month. >> as a successful businessman, he knows we have to make tough fiscal choices wisely. >> reporter: republicans and democrats are concerned hagel is soft on iran and too tough on israel. > >> he's had a record of distinguished service but he's wrong on a number of the national security issues that face our country today. >> reporter: hagel ins
of evidence that i'm anti-israel." >> john brennan spent 25 years in the cia before he became the president's chief counter-terrorism adviser working inside the white house. the president considered brennan for the same job after he first got elected in 2008. brennan withdrew his name from consideration after he got associated with the enhanced interrogation techniques that had been used during the bush administration. charges brennan denied. over the past several years, brennan has been instrumental in expanding the administration's use of drone strikes fwens terror targets around the world. in fact, just hours after the nomination was announced, a u.s. drone reportedly killed eight more militants in pakistan. yesterday in the announcement at the white house, president obama praised brennan's high standards as an intelligence leader. >> he has worked to imbed our efforts in a strong legal framework. he understands we're a nation of laws. and in moments of debate and decision, he asks the tough questions and he insisted on high and rigorous standards. time and again he has spoken to the ame
matt was saying a bit is, take the john brennan pick. the john kerry pick. obama's trying to surround himself with people he really is friends with and likes. the first term was people like hillary clinton, jim jones, bob gates. they're big names. those aren't necessarily obama allies. brennan, hagel, kerry, susan rice, these are really people obama knows and is close to. that's what he's trying to build for his second term. >> i want to bring in congressman adam schiff, democrat from california. always good to see you, congressman, good morning. >> thank you. good morning. >> do you think if this fight if it does materialize over chuck hagel could have the effect of taking the focus off of other things that need to get done? things like the debt ceiling? >> well, i don't think we could afford to let it get in the way of debt ceiling. we only have two or three months to get that done. that fight is getting frankly much more difficult than the fiscal cliff was. we have the debt limit which the president quite rightly has said he won't engage on that. we can't hold that kind of a revolv
, john kerry, even though it's not susan rice, but also john brennan compared to four years ago. jim jones did not work out. there was secretary gates at defense that was brought over from the bush administration before him. and so i think in many ways this sort of demonstrates that the president feels he'll put his imprint on foreign policy going forward from him. hillary clinton a choice that some may have viewed as a concession of secretary of state and worked out well for both sides. >> david, you know, chuck hagel has gotten some opposition from the left and the right. do you expect in a second term now elected and safe obama might get some more opposition from the left, from democrats? i'm thinking maybe on drones or extra judicial killing or some of the things that maybe some liberals had been quieter on waiting for obama to get re-elected? >> i think that's definitely a big issue. you know, looking at the picks that the president announced yesterday for national security team, i think what you are seeing is obama administration sort of trying to reshape how they think about t
to chuck hagel. no change in diversity there. cia director from petraeus to john brennan, no change. tim geithner to jack lou, no change there. john kerry is nominated to replace secretary of state hillary clinton, that's one less woman, the possible replacement with ashton carter, one less minority. and head of the epa lisa jackson, the first black woman to hold that title, her replacement is unknown. of hundreds of senior appoint ees and nominees, 48% were minority or women according to the national journal. and 13 out of 22 of his first cabinet members were diverse. that's a record. but it's not only about ethnicity and gender, the president could potentially nominate the first openly gay cabinet member. he could choose more with business executive experience. his team head count dropped 25% on that measure. age diversity is an issue too. right now two-thirds of obama's team are baby boomers. history shows cabinet choices have lasting effects, madeleine albright's nomination was followed by 15 years of diverse secretaries of state. farther back, president lincoln's cabinet strategy as
of them, it's clear that he's going to be john brennan, if he wants to stay in government, if not the other choice is the current acting head of the cia since general petraeus left michael morell. that pick we're told will come in the next day or so, possibly even packaged with chuck hagel. thank you. >>> all right, last week's fiscal cliff deal settle d some things. republicans are now demanding significant spending cuts. democrats still talking about additional tax revenue. >> we have resolved the revenue issue, the question is, what are we going to do about spending? i wish the president would lead us in this discussion or put in a position of kicking and screaming to the table about the biggest issue confronting our future. until we address the entitlements we can't solve this problem. the time to solve it is now. >> if mitch mcconnell is going to draw that line in the sandy it's going to be recipe for more grid lock. during the campaign when the -- you saw the republican candidate and paul ryan talking about all of those tax breaks and loopholes in the tax codes, that
of that announcement, nominating john brennan as cia director. it's the hagel pick that has been scrutinized. >> he has long severed his ties with the republican party. this is an in your face nomination by the president to all of us who are supportive of israel. >> hagel's record is very, very troubling on the nation of israel. he has not been a friend to israel. in my view the united states should stand unshakably with the nation of israel. and he has consistently advocated weakness with respect to our enemy. >> i think it would be a lot of tough questions of senator hagel. but he'll be treated fairly by republicans in the senate. >> i want to bring in matt welch, editor in chief for reason magazine and perry bacon, political editor for thegrio.com. president obama nominated john kerry for secretary of state before christmas. now he's running out his national security team, chuck hagel, john brennan. the president essentially walked away from susan rice. why does he want this fight? >> it's a great political idea on his behalf. if there's a big fight over this defense pick, it's going to be between r
.s. senate and he's been an adviser to him now in the white house and then john brennan at cia, someone who's been by his side for four years. >> what is the strategy? first read mentions jack reid and the statement praising chuck hagel. what's the strategy? you have people wondering why not take up the fight for susan rice and how are the dynamics different? >> as chuck todd pointed out, there are as many as ten different democratic senators opposed to chuck hagel and it's going to be up to the white house to wage a significant campaign using some democrats like senator jack reid from rhode island to win them over. the white house probably decided that they needed to go ahead and fight for chuck hagel in this matter. i've heard from the white house that the susan rice and john kerry were pretty much tied folks going in to that state department gig. president obama going with john kerry but you are seeing the white house going for a full throttled fight to get and to win chuck hagel and not going to be easy. >> mark murray, thank you so much. happy new year. see you tomorrow. >> thanks. >>>
is elsewhere is john brennan. >> reporter: i think that that's right. there's no doubt about that. this certainly gives him a little bit of time and space after, you know, scrutiny being on him. but, again, i think that, you know, this is big news today, that schumer came out and said that he is going to support hagel moving forward. i think a lot of eyes were sort of waiting for this decision, watching to see what would happen, and you're right, gives john brennan a little bit more room moving forward. >> kristin welker, as ever, thank you so much. >> thanks, martin. >> and we'll be right back. my insurance rates are probably gonna double. but, dad, you've got... [ voice of dennis ] allstate. with accident forgiveness, they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. [ voice of dennis ] indeed. are you in good hands? [ voice of dennis ] indeed. meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you
for secretary of defense and john brennan for director of the central intelligence agency. >> republicans are spoiling for a fight, so they just want to pick a fight. >> quite frankly, chuck hague sel out of the mainstream thinking on most issues regarding foreign policy. >> chuck hagel is the leader that our troops deserve. he is an american patriot. >> they just want to pick a fight. >> if hagel is nominated, it's very difficult to imagine a circumstance in which i can support his confirmation. >> i think it would be a lot of tough questions. >> one of the few secretaries who had been wounded in a war, and the first vietnam veteran to lead the department. >> this is an in your face nomination by the president. >> with chuck our troops will always know, just like sergeant hagel was there for his own brother, secretary hagel will be there for you. ♪ >> referee: we begin on a busy monday afternoon in washington, and the president has dared republicans to make good on their threats to oppose his nomination for defense secretary. chuck hagel is the leader our troops deserve said the presid
. lindsey graham says he's going to put a hold on john brennan. are they going to have to say guys, you have to pick one. you can't fight them all because the obstruction charge then starts. >> i think the idea of holds is maybe a little bit farfetched. you know, even those who are sounding pretty tough about chuck hagel indicate they think he'll get confirmed. but they want to ask tough questions. i think it's tough to beat a senator over policy issues. even if the issue is real. i think john brennan is going to face questions about the leak investigation. maybe on the left over some of the, you know, enhanced interrogation issues. you know -- i don't see any of these things bubbling up to the point where you actually get a hold. you know, we'll see. but i don't see that. but i see the hagel nomination certainly being tough. >> and i want to turn to guns here a minute. we're seeing -- it's funny, the white house has a very vehement reaction to the "new york times" story this morning, saying they are just wrong, they are not backing off an assault weapons ban. they are going to make thi
in government. the trio of john kerry for secretary of state, john brennan for the cia, and former senator chuck hagel for the defense department would be unique in that both kerry and hagel are vietnam veterans who have had firsthand experience of war. so what will this mean in terms of how america will approach military conflict in the future. jonathan capehart is an msnbc contributor and an opinion writer for "the washington post" and jimmy williams joins us from washington and is an msnbc contributor. john, when the president announced his pick for defense secretary, he made an important reference to how chuck hagel understands the notion of war. take a listen to this, john. >> chuck knows war is not an abstraction. he understands that sending young americans to fight and bleed in the dirt and mud, that's something we only do when it's absolutely necessary. >> it sounds like chuck hagel is going to be a million miles away from the idiocy that we heard throughout the republican primaries when people like rick santorum and mitt romney would try to outdo each other in terms of their desire to s
tennet, in the george w. bush days. that is why john brennan didn't get the nomination to run the cia in the first time around. so his confirmation hearings this time around, february 7th, should be very interested. there is controversy there. the other nomination, where there used to be suspense, is former republican senator chuck hagel, i say there used to be suspense, because there were questions about whether there would be fight from the left have dried up. chris coombs, all have met with mr. hagel this week, he assuaged their worries, ditto, charles schumer, of new york, he addressed criticism of his hard-line anti-gay and anti-abortion political past. he addressed that criticism, where they largely neutralized it. ahead of his confirmation hearings on thursday, republicans are making noises about chuck hagel. the only strange remaining might be evidence of any interesting and therefore important resistance to chuck hagel is probably this ad, you might have seen from an unknown group called "use your mandate." >> chuck hagel, he has been nominated to be secretary of defense. and
is threatening to delay the nomination of john brennan for cia director unless the white house releases more information about the bengahzi attack. senator graham claims the white house has repeatedly ignored his requests for information and calls the move "an unfortunate yet necessary step." last month an independent review found systemic failures in leadership at the state department. at least four department officials have been removed from their post as a result of that investigation. >>> the only known suspect in connection with the september 11th consulate attack has been released by officials in tunisia due to lack of evidence. >>> the u.s. preparing for a withdrawal from afghanistan by the end of 2014, the white house considering a plan that would leave no american troops behind, not even in supporting roles. that's according to a national security adviser in the administration. despite recommendations by general john allen for the u.s. to leave as many as 15,000 troops, this is the first suggestion that president obama could opt for a full withdrawal as he did in iraq in 2011. other
to mention is john brennan. john brennan is going to be nominated to head the cia probably today. brennan is very close to the president. i'm told that if there's one person he relies on in the most secret inner debates, it's john brennan who's been his chief counterterrorism and intelligence adviser. john brennan is going to go over to run the cia. in the three branches, he'll have people who were his people. you couldn't say that about gates. he couldn't say that about secretary clinton. and now have that team. and i think that's, again, don't think entirely about the fight ahead. think about what he's trying to accomplish with this group. why he wants them. >> that is the question.brennan goes as planned. what would that mean for the direction of u.s. foreign policy and the president's foreign policy doctrine, and how would it differ from the first four years? >> what that tells you, i think, mika, is this president is serious about completing this process of withdrawal of u.s. troops. kerry and hagel have both spoken very forcefully about ending the combat role in afghanistan. it rein
to worry about the politics. he can put john brennan at the cia and have john kerry at the secretary of state. all reflecting the values of barack obama and obama doctrine that a lot of people expected. >> you also wrote he probably regrets the afghan surge, but he can never say it because soldiers died. >> a lot of us -- the prospects for peace were always bleak. the ability to nation build in a country like that and to be able to raise the number of troops you would have to have in a country like that to be able to put that on the footing is exceedingly difficult. very difficult. there is no alternative economy to copy for a lot of farmers that are there that makes heroin and opium for heroin, that is a very difficult situation for the united states to be in. i think we are starting to see vice president biden's advice where he said they needed to drawdown and do more covert operations and a narrow policy. that's more what you are starting to see. president obama can never say politically that they regretted the surge. they handed off the security to afghanis, but there is note muc
is taking more of a role on center stage. especially with the appointment of john brennan and as we look at john kerry and chuck hagel. in terms of u.s. national security and foreign policy, the get month trials, however, we -- there was a lot of discussion, a lot of hub bub when they were going to be in new york, but here they are beginning in guantanamo bay, and there is very little discussion about the fact that they are happening there. you guys have challenged the sort of legitimacy of these. the nation writes today "at guantanamo the government is still making up the law as it goes along. the military commissions are just one piece of a larger disturbing trend towards centralized presidential power with virtually no oversight or transparency. your thoughts on that? >> well, the problem both with guantanamo and with targeted killing is we have rule of law violations and also we have national security problems continuing when we keep guantanamo open and use targeted drone killings as a centerpiece of our foreign policy. so let's talk about guantanamo. the military commissions are dog
nominated so far, you would think john brennan would be the most controversial. he's the one no one is talking about. >> that's right. you can look at all these candidates, hagel and lew, mainstream candidates who represent the president's positions flawlessly, are a stark contrast with the bush administration, therefore the republicans might have beef with him, but that's just not happening. we're being surprised when clearly it's part of a broader strategy to discredit the very idea of government. yes, the polls show that congress is more unpopular than head lice. >> and cockroaches. >> nickelback. >> castro still slightly more unpopular, but i think they can fix that. long term, that's not how people see it. long term, people go government, can't get anything gun. it casts it on the whole enterprise. >> hans, i want to bring you back in this for a second to talk about the ethicacy of a choice of jack lew as head of the treasury department. when we began this fiscal slope, curve, cliff discussion, tim geithner was involved, there was a sense jack lew would be involved. they were m
of this is the president just nominated john brener top counterterrorism adviser to be head of the cia and brennan in a lot of ways has been the guy on drones. he is at the center of the drone policy so on the one hand you are getting a lot of pushback from the left from people opposed to drone use about his nomination. on the other hand, the reporting is from "the washington post" and other places that he actually has been a huge voice of restraint and a voice advocating for moving that program from the cia to the military according to a recent post article. they said that brennan is leading efforts to curtail the cia's primary responsibility for targeting killings over opposition of the agency arguing to focus on intelligence agencies and leave lethal action to the more traditional home in the military where the law requires greater transparency. so, if john brennan is confirmed, it is interesting to see if there's a move to greater transparency and to moving the program from the cia to the military. >> absolutely, yeah. all right. >>> shifting gears a bit here up next the
brennan and certainly for chuck hagel, and perhaps not as close with john kerry. >> the president's problem with dealing with any issue is making decisions on the basis of imperfect information. you never know as much as you would like to know about a situation. he appreciates different perspectives and different evaluations that give him the confidence that all of the angles have been discussed to the point that they can, and that he goes in to making a decision based on the best possible information, and i think that's what chuck hagel will give him. >> donald, i want to ask you about your close friend, co-author, the man you served, george herbert walker bush. how is president bush doing? >> i think he is doing much better now. >> that's good to hear. >> he had some respiratory problems that they were very afraid would go into a serious form of pneumonia. i talked to him a few days ago, and is he his old self sdwloosh how are his spirits? >> his spirits are fine. >> well, please convey our very best wishes. the whole country is pulling for him to get out of that hospital and to
-year cia vet john brennan to lead the central intelligence agency and former nebraska senator chuck hagel to take over at the pentagon where he will presumably join senator john kerry at state to form the nuke leus of president obama's second term foreign policy team. the decision to nominate hagel continued to rankel some in the gop. >> chuck hagel is out of the mainstream of thinking i believe on most issues regarding foreign policy. he has long severed his ties with the republican party. this is an in your face nomination by the president to all of us who are supportive of israel. chuck hagel, if confirmed to be secretary of defense, would be the most antagonistic secretary of defense toward the state of israel in our nation's history. >> if confirmed, hagel would be the first enlisted soldier to run the pentagon, but while the decorated vietnam veteran, a recipient of not one, but two purple hearts, is sure to betop popular among the rank-and-file, one of the primary tasks facing the next secretary of defense will be slimming the military budget, something hagel has had no qualm
. that picture -- the general picture you showed before the segment of the top level appointees, john brennan we didn't mention, all being men. it is a change. it is a little disturbing. and the departure of somebody as luminous as hillary clinton, too, makes it feel more stark and more like, you know, really something that should be corrected. and i don't -- i think he will in future appointments. but he doesn't have a chance to correct those top, top appointments. >> your thoughts? you lived through all this. you know what affirmative action looks like. that's not affirmative action. >> no. i preach diversity and will preach it to the president. it's a process and you keep working at it. >> what should -- we worked it with the producers today. trying to frame this question. things happen like this organically. people know people. we know how it works. what is it he didn't do that he should have done affirmatively? >> did he borrow, you know, one of romney's binders full of women or something like that? apparently he didn't. diversity, it has to happen on all levels. so you look for somebody to
. obama counterterrorism adviser john brennan has made the legal case for targeted killings. some are now expressing concern over brennan in charge of the cia. and scott horton of harper's magazine reports "and the drones are just the beginning of it. the cia has its toe there, but we're going to see the cia probably take a very prominent role in robotic warfare." i'm joined tonight by greenwald, producer, director, and founder of brave new films. he is also the director of an upcoming documentary film "drones exposed" and just completed a trip to the country of pakistan. mr. greenwald, good to have you with us tonight. will there be an issue at brennan's confirmation hearings? what is the likelihood of the senate forcing a debate on drone strikes? there has been very little conversation about it. >> yes. it's actually been very sad, ed, to see how there has almost been a bipartisan silence on this issue. we're hopeful that as we educate people, as people hear more about the drones, as they learn more about them, they will call their senators and they'll say it's essential to ask brennan
said he could put a hold on cia nominee john brennan's nomination until the white house addresses questions about benghazi again. quote -- i do not believe we should confirm anyone as director of the cia until our questions are answered, like who changed ambassador susan rice's talking points and deleted the references to al qaeda. my support for a delaying confirmation is not directed at mr. brennan but is an unfortunate yet necessary action to get information from this administration. the white house is trying to sell, meanwhile, back on hagel, trying to sell hagel's personal story. and no one may tell that better than his brother, tom, who served alongside him in vietnam and described to nbc how they narrowly escaped death together. >> the concussion was incredible. it knocked us both down. and he was behind me and i looked back and he was flat on his back, blood all over his chest. so i went back. things come up where he's being criticized for this or that or the other thing, or we're both having problem. we look at each other and say, you know, what can they do to you? send y
, governor, we are not -- the person that in theory should be the most controversial, john brennan, the drone program, he took himself out of contention in 2008. nothing has been said about him. >> because he is low key and on the radar screen from the public, and it not one of the big three. >> might check in with rachel maddow. >> i was going to say, i also think it's because there's been an acquessence. >> the republicans like drones. >> bernie sanders is planting a flag in jack lew's -- >> he represents the entire left of the democratic party? >> one wing of the very progressive left. you are just moving it like a very far -- a tad -- i'm not saying anything against senators here on this show, but i think -- >> bernie is a greet graet guy, but it's a tiny little wing. it's probably a little fet zeesh fet other the wing. >> wow. feathers and wicks. we need to take a break. president obama breaks bread with hamid karzai at the white house, but will they break from his withdrawal plans from afghanistan? we will have a live update on the meeting after this. (dog) larry,larry,larrryyy. why tak
than about engagement with ideas. we haven't talked about another nomination. john brennan and the nomination to be head of the cia has been underreported, and i think what's striking about that is that what was controversial in 2008, and obama had to withdraw him from nomination from the cia. it hasn't been controversial. what does that say about our politics? i want to venture a bold idea which senator daniel patrick moynihan raised in legislation in both 1991 1k3 1995 which this country should think about abolishing the cia. it has a bad track record. we should take a hard look. forget hearings about president's nominees, but we need a new church committee, a new pike committee. people might go check it out. into the abuses of the security state which has grown beyond the bounds of accountability which this democracy demands. >> let's talk about the left and how they are approaching both of these, and i want to focus first on hagel. we are talking about neo conservatives and how they have come out of the wood work -- not even the wood work. they've come out against hagel
, the president nominated john brennan to head the cia. all three posts need to be confirmed when the senate gets back to work. and speaking of approval, the president will kick off his second term seven points more popular than the first-term average flying in the face of history, though it's still early. five of the seven u.s. presidents re-elected since world war ii have been less popular in the second terms. so can the president use early momentum to push the policy agenda? let's spin. guys, i have been saying for a while now i think that his second term he's going the see a lot more pushback from the friends on the left than his foes on the right. for one, he's been re-elected. i think the gop has generally resigned themselves to the fact that they're going to be four more years to obama and they have a little less incentive to hang him for every misstep he has but democrats are incentives to watch him more carefully. one, payment, you know, a number of groups, unions for one, invested heavily in barack obama's re-election and i'm sure they want some roi now. two, accountability on the promi
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